OUT OF BOUNDS. I thought they were playing in a club or something.
I think they played _Cities in Dust_ and that song also appears on
the soundtrack (which, BTW, is the only place to find the 'good'
version of _Electric Ocean_ by the Cult).
Christo'
hanks@deans.med.utah.edu
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 07:24:08 +0501 (EDT)
From: Kathryn Wall <klwall@gibbs.oit.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: "Out of Bounds"
> so it has S&B doing Cities in Dust
>
> is the rest of the movie worth suffering
> thru, or should I cut to the chase ?
As I remember it, I only watched Out of Bounds when it came out in the 80s
because it had Anthony Michael Hall in it and looked like one of those
teenage John Hughes films that I was into at the time. I rented it on
tape later and thought it was pretty stupid. If you are in the mood for
a cultural journey back to the land of parachute pants and Men At Work,
then go ahead. If not, skip 'till you see Sioux!
-- Kat.
== MTV (corporate drones) ==
From: ari!shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung)
Subject: Re: MTV?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 16:51:33 -0500 (EST)
yes i saw this. they were interviewed during the lollapalooza tour.
they were in a bar in arizona and mtv showed clips of old videos INCLUDING
swimming horses (why they didn't put it on the tape is beyond me) and
creatures' right now.
-r.
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 93 16:06:15 CST
From: ari!jaffray@math.uchicago.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Subject: Re: MTV?
Yes, I saw the MTV feature... pretty well done, I thought. Mainly because
they resisted the temptation to gloss it up too much, and instead showed
a) Banshees chatting and b) videos. Don't remember many specifics, sorry...
-- Alan
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 10:54:50 CST
From: ari!jaffray@math.uchicago.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Subject: Re: S&B on MTV
Me:
> > Yes, I saw the MTV feature... pretty well done, I thought. Mainly because
> > they resisted the temptation to gloss it up too much, and instead showed
> > a) Banshees chatting and b) videos. Don't remember many specifics, sorry...
Someone:
> > yes i saw this. they were interviewed during the lollapalooza tour.
> > they were in a bar in arizona and mtv showed clips of old videos INCLUDING
> > swimming horses (why they didn't put it on the tape is beyond me) and
> > creatures' right now.
Fred:
> I take it it wasn't a special show about the Banshees, just a
> Lollapalooza blurb. Did anyone tape it ? Is it worth trying
> to find a copy ? (I frankly doubt it if it was on MTV)
Actually, no, it *was* a special show about the Banshees. One of
their "Rockumentary" programs... 1 or 1.5 hours long. I'd say it's
definitely worth looking for, while your cynicism about MTV is well-
justified, somehow they managed not to screw up this one. Possibly
because they didn't have enough interview footage to madly jump back
and forth excerpting tiny out-of-context quotes from random sources?
They need to be deprived more often, I was impressed.
Alas, I have no tape of it, as my VCR was obsolete and couldn't record
certain cable stations. Now, of course, with no TV or VCR, I couldn't
care less.
-- Alan
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 13:51:47 EST
From: Marshall Vale <ari!MJV@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: S&B on MTV
As someone pointed out, it was on MTV, or more specifically, 120 Minutes.
It was 1hr long and was aired in the middle of the show (12:30-1:30am) for
some really odd reason.
It really wasn't that much of a push for the Lolla tour but a chat
with the three about their career then and now. They stepped through
their lives with clips of their videos (including Miss The Girl).
Pretty fun.
Marshall
Marshall Vale | mjv@brownvm.brown.edu | Honda-L Moderator
Language Lab, Brown U. | mjv@brownvm.bitnet | Honda/Acura Discussions
Date: 08 Oct 1993 09:44:09 GMT
From: "MICHAEL E. KROB" <E#KROB@cwemail.ceco.com>
Subject: S&B: on B&B
Oh the horror, my friends! Last night at 6:00 I found myself dining in
front of the television, as I am known to frequently do, and to my dismay found
myself tuned into MTV's Beevis and Butt-Head. This show, although sincerely
humorous at times, is not a show one can truely enjoy without a certain degree
of shame. Being a big fan is not something I would think you could really be
proud of. I sometimes watch, but am not a big fan.
Anyway, they sat in their usual couch positions, reviewing S&B's
Peek-A-Boo. Now I would appreciate more S&B play on MTV, but not particularly
in this venue.
Of course, they felt that it sucked. I think the approximate quote from
Butt-Head was "If you were in a room full of your friends and played this, they
would all leave." Beevis replied "People who like this have no friends".
And this is one of my favorite songs off of one of my favorite albums!
I guess I'll never be IN with Beevis or Butt-Head or any of those (probably
throngs) who follow their lead. Such a bummer! Will I survive?
Actually, it has been shown that any video (panned of praised) shown on
Beevis and Butt-Head jumps in sales. I guess this isn't a catastrophy, but I'd
hate for any of you not to be aware of the slight against us by MTV's favorite
toons.
===================================================
5) SONGS AND LYRICS
===================================================
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 15:36:31 EST
From: Geoff Moes <ari!moesg@mail.tva.com>
Subject: Doctor Who and the Creatures
I have recently started listening to the Creatures and I have noticed that
the song Pluto Drive's beat is very reminiscent of the music used in the
intro to Doctor Who. As far as I can tell the song does not allude to the
show. I know this is tenuous but there is an episode when the Tom Baker
incarnation of the character visited Pluto. So is this coincidence or
what?
-Geoff
Date: Wed, 04 May 1994 16:45:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: YOUNG GRASSHOPPER <DECLERCA@carleton.edu>
Subject: Re: Playground Twist lyrics
Hi...
_The Lord of the Crypta Culta_ wrote (a while ago):
>Does anyone know an interpretation for the lyrics on Playground Twist (DO
>they have a meaning at all) ? It's one of my favourite S&B-songs but
>there's no way I can understand what they're trying to say.
I have no "official" explanation, but since no one else posted, here are the
lyrics and my best guess...
***
PLAYGROUND TWIST
The title seems to imply some sort of ironic "twist" on the "playground"
(childhood, youth, etc.) The song, overall, is a progression from youth
to old age...
->Hanging....
->Hanging from your daisy chains
->Swinging in the trees
->Running from your enemies
->And falling on your knees
->On your knees
->Get down on your knees
The first stanza evokes images childhood, with visions of daisy chains,
swinging in the trees, and running from bullies on the playground. Hanging
here has an obvious double meaning (swinging in the trees with friends, or
hanging with a rope around your neck).
->Throw the dice
->You three blind mice
->Did you ever see
->Such a thing in your life
->You swallow the trail
->But still arrive
->Inside your entrails
Throwing dice...another child's game, although one for older children...
the kids have aged a bit, maybe junior high?
"Three blind mice"...a children's song.
"Did you ever see such a thing in your life?"...Perhaps referring to the young
adolescent's coming of age/puberty? The rest of the stanza fills out this
idea of carnal knowledge and the body with "follow the trail" (i.e. start the
sexual chase, the mating dance, the rites of spring), and "arrive inside your
entrails", another reference to the body.
->Hanging....
->Hanging out at party games
->Dancing in the shadows
->Up and down on the see-saw
->Balancing the scales
->You're drunk
->Yet you're balancing the scales
Again, the hanging...
The subject could be older now, high school or college-aged, going to parties
and dancing in the shadows (evil). Trying to balance his or her life (see-saw,
scales). Having a hard time because they're not fit to take care of it yet
(drunk), but hanging on nonetheless.
->Someone to blame
->Someone to shame
->Someone who you can claim
->Go back to pass the parcel
->And follow the leader
Older still, married perhaps, the subject find someone to blame, shame, and
claim (his children, perhaps?). He passes the blame/shame (parcel) to someone
or something else, finds excuses, and finds a "leader" to blindly follow. This
leader could be person, a substance (drug), or even a religion...
->Hanging....
->Hanging from your climbing frames
->Swinging in the gallows
->Laughing with your buddies
->But you can drown when you're shallow
->You can drown....
His "shallow" lifestyle has lead him to ruin. He laughs with his so-called
"buddies" as he hangs in the gallows. He drowns in his self-destruction.
***
This is just a spur-of-the-moment interpretation...I'd love to hear other
interpretations, and suggestions on this one... I'm grasping at straws on most
of this...really have no clue about the song, either, but this seems to fit.
Now, back to college work and slightly less exciting interpretations of old
English Lit... :-)
Aaron
"I'll bake their bones for telling lies..."
declerca@carleton.edu
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 00:00:29 -0400
From: ag869@freenet.buffalo.edu (David R. Wild)
Subject: Playground Twist
Thanks to Aaron for his insightful take on Playground Twist as "a progression
from youth to old age." Interesting.
I see the song as drawing a metaphorical relation between childhood games and
the violence, evil and horror that exist in the world. Perhaps the symbolism
evident in the simplest game ("follow the leader") or innocent rhyme ("Three
Blind Mice") is an unconscious manifestation of the ugly side of human nature
that doesn't become evident until later in life.
Some great wordplay here - "you can drown when you're shallow" - and my
favorite - "you swallow the trail but still arrive inside your entrails".
Great stuff. Great song.
***
I'm new to the list - a few questions:
- are the complete lyrics to Join Hands available somewhere?
- I heard there will be a new S&tB album this month. True?
- who is John Heartfield?
Thanks.
-wild
Date: 02 Mar 1993 19:47:24 -0600 (CST)
From: ari!HIMLEYMA@cab.mrs.umn.edu
Subject: Re:
Well, here they are, the lyrics to beat all lyrics, off of the
collector album Twice Upon a Time, Face to Face, lyrics, I am assuming,
written by Siouxsie and the Banshees, with music being written by Danny
Elfman and Siouxsie and the Banshees.
FACE TO FACE: BY SIOUXSIE AND THE BANSHEES AND DANNY ELFMAN?
Face to face- my lovely foe
Mouth to mouth- raining heaven's blows
Hand on heart- Tic Tac Toe
Under the stars- naked as we flow
Cheek to cheek- the bitter sweet
Commit your crime in you deadly time
Commit your crime in your deadly time
It's too divine- I want to bend
I want this bliss but something says I must resist
Another life- another time
We're Siamese twins writhing intertwined
Face to face- no telling lies
The masks they slide to reveal a new disguise
You never can win- it's the state I'm in
This danger thrills and my conflict kills
They say follow your heart- follow it through
But how can you- when you're split in two?
And you'll never know
You'll never know
One more kiss- before we die
Face to face- and dream of flying
Who are you?- who am I?
Wind in wings- two angels falling
To die like this- with a last kiss
It's falsehood's flame- it's a crying shame
Face to face- the passions breathe
I hate to stay but then I hate to leave
And you'll never know
You'll never know . . .
End of lyrics- isn't that poetry in sickening motion?
Brilliant!
Once more, thank you for your support.
MAH
===================================================
6) 'OGRAPHIES (disco and otherwise)
===================================================
NOTE that there is a discography making the rounds.
It has been posted to the newsgroup several times.
If you want a copy, ask the group and someone will
send you a copy.
From: ari!flb!flb (F.Baube x554)
Subject: S & B X 3
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 10:16:56 EET
Item 1:
Ray Stevenson's Siouxsie and the Banshees Photo Book
(unsure whether his name is part of the "official" title)
pub.1986 by Omnibus Press, a division of Book Sales Ltd.
Order No.OP44064
ISBN 0-7119-0301-8
Distributors: UK: Book Sales Ltd., 78 Newman St, London W1P 3LA
US: Music Sales Corp., 24 East 22nd St, NYC 10010
Capsule Review: looks like a product of the Situationists.
a must buy.
source of those interviews I posted,
where S says that what she misses about
childhood is "being hairless in parts".
Item 2:
Entranced: The Siouxsie and the Banshees Story
Brian Jones
(c) 1989 by Omnibus Press, a division of Book Sales Ltd.
Order No.OP45277
ISBN 0-7119-1773-6
Distributors: UK: Book Sales Ltd., 8/9 Frith St, London W1V 5TZ
US: Music Sales Corp., 225 Park Avenue South, NYC 10003
(I would imagine that these addresses are
the ones to use, not the addresses above)
Capsule Review: lots of text.
a must buy.
includes B/W repro of Siouxsie in Japanese
chic, cover of The Face #22, Feb. 1982
Item 3:
Siouxsie and the Banshees
(c) 1986, pub. by Babylon Books, Thornlea East, Holme House Road,
Todmorden, Lancs., UK
Order Ref is 16487
ISBN 0-907188-14-1
Exclusive Distributors: International Music Publications,
Southend Road, Woodford Green, Essex iG8 8HN, England
sorry, no ISBN, although there *is* a cryptic number 215-2-399
Capsule Review: not as fact-packed as #2 nor as photo-
packed as #1, but lots of good B/W pix.
cover shot is S in civilian garb.
a must buy.
I hadn't realized that two of these are from the same pub, Omnibus.
Can anyone say if their other stuff is worth checking out ?
For info on banshees, the best book I've found is one entitled
"Traces of the Elder Faiths of Ireland". Written and published
at the turn of the century (1898 as I recall), so could be tough
to find. I found it in the Folklore (Irish) section of the
library of George Washignton University in Washington DC.
The author examines Ireland for evidence that the pre-Christian
ways live on. Entire chapters on (for example) stone worship,
water worship. Discussion of funereal practices. Fascinating
stuff. Two or three pages about the banshee. The author
leaves the impression that you do NOT want to ever hear one.
Foretells death. Banshees in one area would take up the cry
of other banshees in other areas.
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 15:04:52 -0600
From: duvernoi@odysseus.uchicago.edu (Michael DuVernois)
Subject: Re: Lesson.
Allow me to recommend _England's Dreaming_ by Jon Savage for a little bit
of the very early history of Siouxsie and the Banshees. It's a book about
the English Punk community and its origins, a story in which Siouxsie has
a fairly important role. The book is very well written, well researched,
and had some amazing pictures (Siouxsie and Severin in line for a Sex Pistols
show, the COUM poster by Genesis and Cosey, and Poly Styrene looking as
cute as ever come to mind). There are also a number of S&tB books, heavy
on photos and light on substance. Another source would be some of the early
punk zines - Search & Destroy issues at least are still easily available
from the RE/Search folks.
Mike
Mike DuVernois duvernoi@odysseus.uchicago.edu
From: flb (F.Baube[tm])
Subject: Rags
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 19:33:47 EET
Chrono-Logically ..
ZIGZAG
October 1977 No.77 pp.10-12
Cover: L-L corner "LOVE IN A VOID", pic of Siouxsie
SIOUX: "Yeah Carcass -- it's about a butcher's
assistant who can't get girls and so he falls
in love with a lump of meat on the slab and so
that he can be like the object of his affection
-- he cuts off his arms and legs."
Ah hold on! I say (thinking I've deduced a
flaw in their logic), How can he cut off ALL
his arms and legs -- it would be really difficult
for him to cut off his last arm -- wouldn't it ?
"Not at all", comes the reply "he just leans his
shoulder on the Bacon Slicer!"
SEARCH & DESTROY
1978 No.8 p.8
Cover: Siouxsie (classic pic, still used
in ads for Re/Search pubs of S.F.)
Q: Part of your strength seemed to stem from
the fact that .. you were around a lot at the
beginning of the punk thing & soaked it up ..
SIOUXSIE: I dunno.
KENNY: It's down to the individual. I mean
John wasn't there in the beginning --
SIOUXSIE: The fact is, we liked what the PISTOLS
were doing without any media confirmation.
Q: There seems to be some parallel between
you and the Pistols ..
JOHN: It's .. most groups, 99% of them,
took the wrong message from the Pistols.
SIOUXSIE: And saw anarchy as destruction
-- as a group, as a movement -- where as
it's not, it's --
KENNY: Self-rule
SIOUXSIE: Disrupting yourself, questioning yourself ..
THE FACE
August 1980 No.4 pp.40-46
Cover: "Special Sioux Veneer Issue",
(fetchingly glum) pic of Siouxsie
"My Life in Punk Rock"
"Susan X, former barmaid from Chislehurst, tells all .."
big color pic "Siouxsie & the Fishes" at the aquarium
"My earliest memory is pretending to be dead.
My mum used to keep stepping over me while I
was laying on the kitchen floor. I was five.
I once took a bottle of pills to make it more
realistic. That was about the same time I
started school. I can remember I had really
long hair and got chewing gum stuck in it.
It was in there for a couple of years until
I eventually had my hair cut."
ZIGZAG
September 1981 No.117 pp.11-12
"Afterwards it's back to the hotel, bevy of fans
in tow, for drinkies, laffs and four o'clock fun.
Sioux retires a little earlier cos she doesn't want
to overdo it like on the "Join Hands" tour which
ended in a nasty bout of hepatitis. "Discipline!"
is her goodnight word, as she lopes out of the bar
grinning."
THE FACE
February 1982 No.22 pp.40,41
Cover: classic pic of Siouxsie in Japanese chic
Photo shoot, photog. Sheila Rock
ZIGZAG
October 1982 No.130 pp.11-12
Cover: Siouxsie
"centerfold" pp.24,25 signed
"limblessly in love, Siouxsie X X"
"A Kiss in the Dream House"
KRIS: "What about video ?"
STEVE: "There's a lot of possibilities.
All of the videos we've done could be twice
as good if they were down to us."
SIOUX: "[T]hey're like chocolate box adverts.
I really hate the idea of making a song into
a minifilm with a script and all that shit.
I just think it should be more abstract and
not necessarily anything to do with trans-
cribing the song, but something you can watch
and see different things in it if you watch it
again and again."
[..]
STEVE: "It's such a young industry and all
the people involved are idiots."
ZIGZAG
June 1984 Vol.1 No.9 pp.34-37
Cover: Siouxsie
"From Here to Eternity"
"Paul O'Reilly meets Steve Severin, representa-
tive of the band who would remain invincible."
PROPAGANDA
Winter 1986/1987 No.8 pp.6,7
"Each record is a pouring out of her soul in
an echoing whirlwind of mystical melodies [..]
The sound conjures up visions of Arabian Nights,
black magic, and the Garden fo Earthly Delights.
It strikes a nerve in our collective subconscious
mind associated with animal fear and desire."
SPIRAL SCRATCH
November 1988 Issue 2 pp.32,33
"Siouxsie & the Banshees: A complete listing
of live performances - Part One
"Those basing their presence here tonight solely
on 'Hong Kong Garden' were very confused. The
single, with that devastatingly simple hookline,
must be one of the surprise successes of the year,
but the rest of the set was hugely different;
dark, ponderous, black aura music issuing forth."
SPIRAL SCRATCH
December 1988 Issue 3 p.46
Creatures Discography
SPIRAL SCRATCH
Jan/Feb 1989 Issue 4 pp.44-55
"Siouxsie & the Banshees: A complete listing
of live performances - Part Two"
"Worked as a secretary, a masseuse in a parlour
'riddled with fat, pimply, balding businessmen,'
as a barmaid until she was sacked for being rude
to the customers and in a lunch-time West-End
club where she 'acquired' meals for the Bromleyites
before being sacked for her part in the Grundy
incident.
Auditioned for several bands who made her sing
'Smoke on the Water'"
B-SIDE
Feb/Mar 1989 Vol.3, No.1 pp.26-29,37
Cover: Siouxsie
"Siouxsie & the Banshees"
"Grand Illusions"
Steve: "There have been three points in our career
where we were influential on other people, and those
points were the first album "Scream", then "Juju" and
"A Kiss in the Dream House". Those three albums have
made us stop and be aware of what we were doing in
the way it was affecting other bands, and it made us
more aware of what our moves should be next. So by
the time we got to "A Kiss in the Dream House", and
released that, there was this resurgence in guitar
bands, and people like U2 and Big Country were coming
up with hits, and our record company was going 'oh,
this is such a great movement that people are getting
into, with guitar bands, and they'll latch onto YOU
in a big way as you're such a GUITAR band' and we
went 'WHAT?' he remembers with a laugh of disbelief.
"So we went, right, the next album "Hyena" we'll put
keyboards all over it and just fuck everybody up,"
he laughs."
OPTION
Mar/Apr 1989 No.25 pp.38-44
Cover: Siouxsie
"Through the Past, Darkly"
"Siouxsie & the Banshees Ponder a Brighter Tomorrow"
WOODARD: "I'm inclined to ask you if there's an
artist whose work embodies your music ? It's
not Mondrian. To many angles and primary colors."
SIOUXSIE: "Oh, Klimt. (she stops to ponder) ..
Goya or Heironymous Bosch. I just love getting
out the magnifying glass and looking at all the
little creatures. It's so dark, but so luminous."
MELODY MAKER
October 7 1989 pp.8-11
Cover: Siouxsie
LOTS about revulsion at bullfighting, revulsion at
revival of misogynistic attitudes (e.g. Axl Rose).
"I really like women," says Siouxsie. "I think
women are the future. I'm more interested,
musically in what women are doing than men.
I think the new female singers are much more
exciting -- it's like the girl hasn't started
yet but the man's dead because, what he's doing,
it's all been said before.
"I think Bjork's got a great voice .. Sinead
O'Connor .. Michelle Shocked .. I like Kate
Bush's new single, I like the understatement
of it."
[..]
[the writer] "History's being rewritten daily
so that the goodness, the liberating drive of
the Sixties and the Seventies can be dismissed
as fashion quirks, wishy-washy ideas propogated
by weak people who wish to recreate society in
their decadent image. This pie-in-the-sky theory
obviously suits the current political climate
down to the ground because the subtext is that
the natural state decrees that the strong pros-
per and the weak go to the wall, the men conquer
and the women submit. The liberal era is now
considered an abherrant historical abomination.
And Thatcher's a bloke in a dress."
B-SIDE
Apr/May 1990 Vol.4, No.2 pp.26-29,36
Cover: Siouxsie & Budgie
"The Creatures"
"Siouxsie and Budgie Go Camping"
"That is the main difference with the Creatures and
the Banshees .. the simplicity in the direction and
the music itself being less layered and entangling."
PROPAGANDA
Winter 1990 No.13 pp.16-21
"The Banshees at 13"
"This enchantress, this cult deity of mythological
proportions, now stands at the pinnacle of her
power and prestige. Gazing down upon the bowed
masses from her lofty peak, it is difficult to
imagine the humble origins from which she sprang.
Ah, but even goddesses have pasts, and Siouxsie
Sioux is no exception."
[..]
"Siousxie would cultivate an image of ominous
beauty, like that of some exotic queen of the
vampires, to enhance the dark and visionary
Banshee sound, hanging like a sparkling veil
of night over a sleeping world. She was as
influenced by Ziggy Stardust as by England's
infamous Hammer horror films of the 1970s
featuring such gothic abominations as homo-
erotic vampirism, necrophilia, human sacrifice,
medieval torture chambers, depraved medical
experiments, and witch burnings."
INTERNATIONAL MUSICIAN
July 1991 Vol.17 No.8 pp.32,33
"Cry of the Banshees"
"Three years on, the Banshees are back ..
same line-up, change of tack. Klein and
McCarrick discuss their MIDI revolution."
From: Andrew Bornyi <andrewb@mathstat.yorku.ca>
Subject: B-sides compilation track listing
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 94 19:32:03 EDT
I kind of thought that saying "B-sides" compilation would be
self-explanatory...
Here they are...
BTW, Those (individual) songs marked with an asterisk are iffy, because
I only have the 7", not the 12", and my local sources are non-committed.
I would gladly make an exchange of the song(s) for a compilation, in return.
andrew
Track listing:
-Voices
-20th Century Boy
-Pull to Bits
-Drop Dead-Celebration***
-Eve White, Eve Black
-Red Over White
-Follow the Sun***;
Slap Dash Snap***
-Supernatural Thing;
Conga Conga***
-Coal Mind;
We Fall***
-Cannibal Roses;
Obsession II***
-Il Est Ne Le Divin Enfant; A Sleeping Rain***
-Tattoo; There's a Planet in my Kitchen
-Let Go;
The Humming Wires***
-I Promise***;
Throw Them to the Lions***
-An Execution; Quarterdrawing of the Dog
-Lullaby; Umbrella
-Shooting Sun; Sleepwalking (On the High Wire);
-She Cracked***
-She's Cuckoo;
-Something Blue***
-The Whole Price of Blood; Mechanical Eyes
-False Face; Catwalk
-Something Wicked; Are You Still Dying Darling?
-El Dia de Los Muertos; Sunless
-Staring Back; Return
-Spiral Twist; Sea of Light
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 14:16:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: VampLestat <vamp@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: "less commercially viable"
On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Andrew Bornyi wrote:
> I am curious. Does anyone have any stats regarding sales? I have no idea
> about how any of her albums did, financially. Charts are self-serving
> indicators, due to the lovely concept that a prime variable in them is
> airplay, which for many stations (their playlist) is determined by what's
> on the charts... I would like to know sales! I suspect (although I would
> love confirmation) that Superstition got the best chart ratings (although
> in what category, these days...), but how did it do, as far as royalties?
While the following stats are certainly less than complete, it does show
that atleast in terms of highest Billboard chart position and longest
stay on the charts, Superstition did the best of all Siouxsie albums that
they have figures for. This was obtained from the allmusic gopher site.
All-Music Guide (C) 1994 by Matrix Software, Big Rapids, MI 49307
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Artist : Siouxsie & the Banshees
Genre : Rock
Style : Alternative rock
Instr. : Group
Rating : importance (3) popularity (1)
All-Music Guide Biography
This British punk-rock band is led by singer Siouxsie Sioux (b Susan
Dallion, May 27, 1957) and bassist Steve Severin (guitarist and
drummer have varied over the years). They started in London in 1976,
releasing their first album, THE SCREAM, in 1978. Gradually they
became established through frequent albums and tours, as their sound
became more accessible. By 1992, Sioux was singing on the soundtrack
of BATMAN RETURNS. ~ William Ruhlmann
AMG Artist ID # : P000005440
Chronological Album List |Date| Label | Number |R S T|Rating
--------------------------------+----+----------+--------+-----+------
Twice upon a Time: The Singles |1992|David Geff|24492 | |+BestA
Superstition |1991|David Geff|24387 | S | Good
Fear |1991|David Geff|21702 | | OK
Peep Show |1988|David Geff|24205 |R | Good
Through the Looking Glass |1987|David Geff|24134 |R | Good
Peek-A-Boo |1987|David Geff|27760 | |
Tinderbox |1986|David Geff|24092 | | BestA
Hyaena |1984|David Geff|24030 |R S | Good
Nocturne |1983|David Geff|24052 | S | Good
Kiss in the Dream House |1982|Geffen |24049 | S | Good
Once upon a Time: The Singles |1981|David Geff|24051 |R S |+BestA
Juju |1981|Geffen |24050 |R S | Good
Kaleidoscope |1980|Geffen |24048 | S T| Good
Join Hands |1979|Geffen |24047 | S | BestA
Scream, The |1978|David Geff|24046 |R S | BestA
Peel Sessions |1977|Dutch East|8406 | |
Peel Sessions #1 |1972|Peel |12 | |
Siouxsie and the Banshees |Z |Media |6358 | |
Peel Sessions #2 |Z |Peel |66 | | Good
Peel Sessions |Z |Dutch East|8406 | |
Noct. |Z |Media |458 | |
Kiss Them for Me |Z |Geffen |21650 | |
All-Music Guide Album Details (Alphabetical Order)
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Fear
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : OK
Genre : Rock
Date : 1991 (release)
AMG ID : R000018076
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD David Geffen Co. 21702
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Hyaena
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Charts : Billboard #157, entered Jul 7 , 1984, on charts 007 weeks
Genre : Rock
Time : 43:22 min
Date : 1984 (release)
AMG ID : R000018089 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
1983 CD David Geffen Co. 2-24030
1983 CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24030
1983 LP David Geffen Co. GHS-24030
1984 LP Wonderland 1
------- AMG Album Reviews -------
Siouxsie and the Banshees's first album to benefit from a major-label
push in the US (and make the charts) finds them taking a more melodic,
expressive approach and even covering the Beatles' "Dear Prudence."
Old fans howled, but there were a lot of new fans. ~ William Ruhlmann
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
Siouxsie Sioux - Vocal
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Album : Join Hands
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Best-of-Artist
Genre : Rock
Date : 1979 (release)
AMG ID : R000018087 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD Geffen 24047
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24047
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24047
1979 LP Polydor 2442264
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
John McGeoch - Sax, Guitar
John. McKay - Guitar
Kenny Morris - Drums
Steve Severin - g/b/k/s
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Album : Juju
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Genre : Rock
Date : 1981 (release)
AMG ID : R000018085 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD Geffen 24050
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24050
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24050
1981 LP Polydor 1034
------- AMG Album Reviews -------
They're shifting gradually toward a more straightforward rock sound,
but the Banshees also add Middle Eastern touches here. Contains the
British hits "Spellbound" and "Arabian Knights." ~ William Ruhlmann
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
Steve Severin - g/b/k/s
Siouxsie Sioux - Vocal
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Album : Kaleidoscope
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Genre : Rock
Time : 40:17 min
Date : 1980 (release)
AMG ID : R000018079 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD Geffen 24048
1980 CD Audio Visual International 8390062
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24048
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24048
1980 LP Polydor 2442177
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
Budgie - d/b/v
Steve Jones - Guitar
John McGeoch - Sax, Guitar
Steve Severin - g/b/k/s
Sirens - Vocal
-------- Album Tracks --------
Happy House
Tenant
Trophy
Hybrid
Clockface
Lunar Camel
Christine
Desert Kisses
Red Light
Paradise Place
Skin
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Kiss Them for Me
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : not rated yet
Genre : Rock
AMG ID : R000018077 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD Geffen 21650
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Kiss in the Dream House
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Genre : Rock
Date : 1982 (release)
AMG ID : R000018082 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD Geffen 24049
1982 LP Polydor 5064
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24049
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24049
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
Budgie - d/b/v
Steve Severin - g/b/k/s
Siouxsie Sioux - Vocal
Robert Smith - Guitar
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Noct.
Artist : Siouxsie
Rating : not rated yet
Genre : Rock
Type : video
AMG ID : R000087436
--------- Album Releases ---------
Media 458
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Nocturne
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Genre : Rock
Date : 1983 (release)
AMG ID : R000018078 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD David Geffen Co. GEFD-24052
CS David Geffen Co. 2G5-24052
1983 LP Wonderland 1
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
Siouxsie Sioux - Vocal
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Once upon a Time: The Singles
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Best-of-Artist (First Pick)
Genre : Rock
Date : 1981 (release)
AMG ID : R000018086 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD David Geffen Co. GEFD-24051
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24051
1981 LP Polydor 1056
------- AMG Album Reviews -------
This compilation of UK singles (some appearing on an album for the
first time) emphasizes the more pop sound of Siouxsie and the
Banshees. Still not easy listening, though. ~ William Ruhlmann
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
Steve Severin - g/b/k/s
Siouxsie Sioux - Vocal
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Peek-A-Boo
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : not rated yet
Genre : Rock
Date : 1987 (release)
AMG ID : R000018092
--------- Album Releases ---------
CS David Geffen Co. 4-27760
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Peel Sessions
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : not rated yet
Genre : Rock
Date : 1977 (release)
AMG ID : R000018075 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
1977 CD Dutch East India 8406
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Peel Sessions
Artist : Siouxsie & Banshees
Rating : not rated yet
Genre : Rock
AMG ID : R000176729 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD Dutch East India 8406
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Peel Sessions #1
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : not rated yet
Genre : Rock
Date : 1972 (release)
AMG ID : R000018083
--------- Album Releases ---------
Peel 12
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Peel Sessions #2
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Genre : Rock
AMG ID : R000018080
--------- Album Releases ---------
Peel 66
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Peep Show
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Charts : Billboard #068, entered Oct 1 , 1988, on charts 020 weeks
Rock & Roll Disc #3/4
Genre : Rock
Time : 42:39 min
Date : 1988 (release)
AMG ID : R000018093 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
1988 CD David Geffen Co. 2-24205
1988 CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24205
------- AMG Album Reviews -------
On PEEPSHOW the band has veered off in a new direction, forsaking
their prominent guitar sound in favor of strings and keyboards ... a
smoother, more technically polished sound... fans of the band's
earlier work may be turned off. ~ Sheryl Hunter, Rock & Roll Disc.
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Scream, The
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Best-of-Artist
Genre : Rock
Date : 1978 (release)
AMG ID : R000018084 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
CD David Geffen Co. GEFD-24046
CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24046
1978 LP Polydor 5009
------- AMG Album Reviews -------
By waiting until punk essentially had blown over to sign a contract,
the Banshees had a clear field for their harsh rock attack, and plenty
of time to prepare it. The result is this fierce debut, which fulfills
the promise of punk and suggests (unlike most of its progenitors) that
it has a future. ~ William Ruhlmann
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
John. McKay - Guitar
Kenny Morris - Drums
Steve Severin - g/b/k/s
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Siouxsie and the Banshees
Artist : Siouxsie &
Rating : not rated yet
Genre : Rock
Type : video
AMG ID : R000087437
--------- Album Releases ---------
Media 6358
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Superstition
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Charts : Billboard #065, entered Jun 29, 1991, on charts 021 weeks
Genre : Rock
Time : 48:07 min
Date : 1991 (release)
AMG ID : R000018081 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
1991 CD David Geffen Co. GEFD-24387
CS David Geffen Co. GEFC-24387
LP David Geffen Co. GEF-24387
------- Album Personnel/Sidemen -------
Budgie - d/per/k
Mike Drake - Engineer
Stephen Hague - Producer
Jon Klein - Guitar
Martin McCarrick - k/cel/dul
Steven Severin - Bass, Keyboards
Talvin Singh - Tabla, Percussion
Siouxsie Sioux - Vocal
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Through the Looking Glass
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Good
Charts : Billboard #188, entered Apr 11, 1987, on charts 003 weeks
Genre : Rock
Time : 43:41 min
Date : 1987 (release)
AMG ID : R000018091 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
1986 CD David Geffen Co. 2-24134
1986 CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24134
------- AMG Album Reviews -------
Well-selected album of rock and pop cover songs, including everything
from Sparks's "This Town Ain't Big Enough for Both of Us" to "Strange
Fruit." ~ William Ruhlmann
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Tinderbox
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Best-of-Artist
Charts : Billboard #088, entered May 24, 1986, on charts 015 weeks
Genre : Rock
Time : 61:37 min
Date : 1986 (release)
AMG ID : R000018090 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
1985 CD David Geffen Co. 2-24092
1985 CS David Geffen Co. M5G-24092
----------------------- All-Music Guide Album ------------------------
Album : Twice upon a Time: The Singles
Artist : Siouxsie & The Banshees
Rating : Best-of-Artist (First Pick)
Genre : Rock
Type : compilation
Date : Oct 13, 1992 (release)
AMG ID : R000059997 (album inprint)
--------- Album Releases ---------
1992 CD David Geffen Co. GEFD-24492
1992 CS David Geffen Co. GEFC-24492
1992 David Geffen Co. 24492
CD Geffen 24492
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